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Personally I thought it'd be a good term for the "not gay or anything" guys who like to get their cocks sucked by other guys in public toilets.

Mmmm, cock.

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reddragdiva

Mmm, cock!

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zellah.livejournal.com

Well:

1) You know how I feel about WHBOB action
2) You know how straight I am ;)

*snigger*

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uberredfraggle.livejournal.com

Exactly what I was thinking. :)

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kelemvor.livejournal.com

(a) I'm always in favour of WHBOB action, and identify neither as bi (although that may change) nor girl :P
(b) It's a stonkingly good word, and I might start using it!

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Weirdness, I was going to write about this myself.

a) um, no. Look at the slash community.
b) a fine word, and one it is a pity I am unable to use :D

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In my admittedly extremely limited forays into slash, I found that the explicit sexual stuff tended to be written by adult males, and the 'their love is too pure' stuff that stops at the first kiss seemed to be the chosen domain of younger female writers. I haven't sampled heavily though.

(thinking about it, usual 'net cynicism should probably apply re: claimed vs real age/gender/etc on the part of the writers anyway)

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Nah. In my experience, which is probably greater than yours, *all* the NC-17 slash I've read, especially the angst-death-rape-WITH-XTRA-COCKS-and-SPANKING slash, was written by females between the ages of 15 and 30. I would post links, but I haven't looked at any for ages so I don't have any to hand. As it were.

Of course, it's possible that they're all also bi - that sort of information doesn't tend to be available, sadly :)

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Ah, first name to spring to mind -

ukcalico. She might even have links should you want them :)

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lzz.livejournal.com

I like

amanuensis1

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angst-death-rape-WITH-XTRA-COCKS-and-SPANKING slash

Tsk, I want to read some now :-P

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Are you sure? It tends to be Harry/Snape...

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naath.livejournal.com

net cynicism should probably apply re: claimed vs real age/gender/etc

They do very good impersonations of 14 year old girls in forums as well as in their writting... (well, some of them).

Wouldn't know if they were straight though.

(couldn't comment on straight girls wanting hot BOB action, not straight meself)

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snoof.livejournal.com

(a) I don't know. I want WHBOB sex, and I want a MMF threesome with two bi males. But I'm bi.

(b) Awesome.

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http://users.livejournal.com/_nicolai_/

"heteroflexible" (even though I knew the word already) is making me think of a giant double-ended posable dildo (y'know, the sort with a spring in them so if you bend them to a curve, they stay bent until you unbend them manually).

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In what sense is that "hetero"?

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hamsterine.livejournal.com

I've met loads of bi girls that *don't* like the idea of gay/bi male sex. I worked at this swingers club for a while.. for some reason everyone in that community seems to think FF sex = hot MM sex = gross. Its really odd.

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The FF=hot, MM=yuck attitude amongst men is, I suspect, partly because women cannot pose a sexual threat to men, whereas men can pose a sexual threat to other men.

I don't know why it exists amongst women.

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It might be because bi women are pretty much obliged to be open-minded about same-sex relations, whereas het women aren't.

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"Being open-minded" really doesn't necessarily amount to "getting off on something", though... an intellectual open-ness isn't what we're talking about so much as a kinky liking for the boy-on-boy action.

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Good point.

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But the counterpart of that logic would mean that wanting to see FF action would only be common amongst bi men - which isn't the case.

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Wow, comments from your phone! that's so cool.

Sorry I was a bit crap on the phone, I was trying not to say "okay, see you on msn in a minute then" while my boss was listening because, yep, I'm doing work not thinking about teh gay. Totally.

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lzz.livejournal.com

I really can't see any logical reason why bi women should be more likely to enjoy watching MM sex than straight women. The only thing I can imagine is that it would be an open-mindedness thing, but I think it's actually quite offensive to assume that straight women can't be open-minded. (I was having a discussion with my housemate the other day and he couldn't believe that women like the idea of two guys together because women don't have filthy fantasies like that...ummm)

So I'd really like to be able to prove you wrong, but sadly I think I fall quite squarely into the bi/likes WHBOB sex bracket.

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lzz.livejournal.com

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I reckon that any hypothetical open-mindedness has nothing to do with whether something turns you on or not. E.g. I am open-minded about other people indulging in scat, but I have no interest in it myself whatsoever. From an alternative and slightly twisted point of view, a lot of the things which do turn me on are all the more titillating because at some level I secretly believe they are somehow 'wrong' (in fact, virtually all sex would fall into this bracket).

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Wot you said.

I'm coming to the conclusion it's an aesthetic thing. One of the things about enjoying queer sex is that you like the aesthetic of similarity - of breasts againsts breasts and hips against hips. There doesn't have to be a contrast for it to be hot. So cock sliding against cock would have a similar aesthetic appeal. Of course, if one partner is curvy and the other skinny, or one dark-skinned and the other pale, i'm not sure this holds up.

There are three main reasons I like boy-on-boy action.

1. Boys kissing is pretty. Boys are pretty, and watching them kiss is pretty because, well, they're both pretty and pretty people kissing is good to watch whatever gender they are. This is, maybe, an open-mindedness thing - I enjoyed watching my female lover snog my male lover on Saturday, and I'd have enjoyed watching

dennyd snog the same male lover in exactly the same way. Although possibly a bit more because it's less likely and therefore more rare and exciting. In fact, "rare and exciting" might sum up a lot of the appeal - although we move in very gay/bi circles, I haven't seen that much M/M action (all my gay friends are coy and none of my male bi friends have got it on with each other while I'm there) and damnit, I want to watch the boys get it on.

2. Male/male romance is dead cool and romantic because it disabuses two misrepresentative stereotypes; that men aren't romantic, and that gay sex is just about the cock. Male/male cock action is cool because yay, sexual liberation, we live in amazing times, yeah boys go for it, beat the heteronormative system. In short: while I would love queer action to be as normal and unexciting as heterosexual action, it isn't yet, so until then I'm going to enjoy seeing people who are willing and able to be queer in public despite the continuing mainstream taboo against it.

3. I'm kinky, which may or may not have anything to do with also being bi. One of the consequences of this is that I really like a) forceful blowjobs and b) anal sex. Male/male sex tends to have both of these things. It is very hot.

Oh, and reason 4. I'm really into the idea of MMF threesomes and I've *never had one*. Until my perverse lusts are sated I'm going to enjoy watching the boys get happy and pretending I'm right there joining in.

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damnit, I want to watch the boys get it on

Bless. :)

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Well, go on then! Humour me! *stamps foot impatiently*

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